RE: ETC 2020 Host Vote - Outline

#16 by Mike (Santa) Klaka , Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:38 pm

Thanks for that, a very clever example - I agree in this circumstance STV would give B rather than C although, just to be difficult I would point out that C was not the first choice of 58 out of 80 voters. The example is a little odd in that all the first choice voters for each of the candidates have an identical second choice, which skews things a bit. I understand that the second choice of the last remaining candidates is not taken into consideration, but I think it is better that way - a matter of choice/preference.

What I don't agree is that STY encourages tactical voting, quite the opposite as your second (and subsequent) choices are only brought into play if your prior choice (first choice in the example) has been eliminated. In Condorcet, if you have a strong preference for your first choice or you are concerned that your second choice will overtake your first choice your wishes are better served by not giving a second choice. So in the example if A supporters want the optimum chance of getting A they should not give a second choice, in the hope that not all the second choices will fall to 'non A'. In the example given this would result in B having the same number of first plus second choices as C and assuming your tie break system prioritised first choices over second B would be chosen.

Just saying :-))

I am not trying to change anything but am replying to a request for comments. I suspect the ETC will be resistant to change, on the very good basis of 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'

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RE: ETC 2020 Host Vote - Outline

#17 by Kiri , Sat Feb 02, 2019 2:43 pm

Back to the topic ! 3 applications for 2020:
-Prague
-Zagreb
-Luxembourg (full application can be found here: ETC 2020 application - Luxembourg)


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RE: ETC 2020 Host Vote - Outline

#18 by TOM A , Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:05 am

I think the French are going to put in an application as wel.

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RE: ETC 2020 Host Vote - Outline

#19 by Kiri , Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:18 am

I think it's too late:

Zitat
The Chairmen Council of ETC 2019 has a planned outline for the ETC 2020 with the following timeline.

January 1st - January 31st : Declaring Candidacies

February 1st - March 31st : General Discussion - This is when the bid packages are to be submitted and questions answered by the bidders.

April 1st - April 14th : Voting Period - Vote sent via PM to pizzaguardian as a closed ballot. Formatted in a preference scale, counted via Condorcet, which condorcet method will be chosen before the vote starts



So now we are just waiting for the full application of Zagreb and Prague.


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RE: ETC 2020 Host Vote - Outline

#20 by TOM A , Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:40 am

Quote: Kiri wrote in post #19
I think it's too late.

Historically it has always been allowed.

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RE: ETC 2020 Host Vote - Outline

#21 by Kiri , Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:22 am

A full month just to say "I'm in" it's more than enough. It's à question of respect.


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RE: ETC 2020 Host Vote - Outline

#22 by TOM A , Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:06 pm

Quote: Kiri wrote in post #21
A full month just to say "I'm in" it's more than enough. It's à question of respect.

I guess there have been a lot of disrespectful people over the years ... or maybe sometimes people just find the information late and it's a question of timing.

Anyways, the chairmen will address this when and if another bid comes in 'late'. Seen that we don't know the content of any of the other bids I think arguing bids are not valid as per the proposed date is semantics, and more than a tad silly...

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RE: ETC 2020 Host Vote - Outline

#23 by Mike (Santa) Klaka , Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:36 pm

If a late bid does appear I think it does not seem to suggest that the bidding team have been very organised and if you can't even declare your interest in time it does not put your organisational skills in a good light. This does not mean a late bid will necessarily be disregarded by, for example, team England FOW Captain, but it will count against it when the team discusses how they think the team captain should vote, so Luxembourg have got their noses in front by being very organised. Any late bidder will be starting at 'the back of the grid' in Formula 1 terms.

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RE: ETC 2020 Host Vote - Outline

#24 by Chris Legg , Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:54 pm

We'll have a chat about this and come back shortly.

If there are any late entrants, it would be great if they can make themselves known at this stage.


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