RE: [VOTE] Chairmen Council 2019 - Proposal to accept all current candidates & if not, making selection

#31 by pizzaguardian , Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:53 pm

Guys enough.

The vote results was 10-8 to implement the entire volunteer group to the new chairmen board of ETC 2019.

Have a good year.


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RE: [VOTE] Chairmen Council 2019 - Proposal to accept all current candidates & if not, making selection

#32 by TOM A , Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:15 pm

Quote: pizzaguardian wrote in post #31
Guys enough.

The vote results was 10-8 to implement the entire volunteer group to the new chairmen board of ETC 2019.

Have a good year.


Alas the vote doesn't meet the requirements for a charter change (6 chairmen according to the charter) which always needs 2/3rds majority, which in this case isn't met. So please announce the 6 elected chairmen.

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RE: [VOTE] Chairmen Council 2019 - Proposal to accept all current candidates & if not, making selection

#33 by pizzaguardian , Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:15 pm

This wasn't a charter change, and didn't require 2/3 vote. The previous vote would have been a more stricter resturcturing and would have kept people out.

So i think the vote is still valid.


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RE: [VOTE] Chairmen Council 2019 - Proposal to accept all current candidates & if not, making selection

#34 by pizzaguardian , Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:20 pm

Vote file attached.


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RE: [VOTE] Chairmen Council 2019 - Proposal to accept all current candidates & if not, making selection

#35 by Kiri , Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:02 pm

Quote: pizzaguardian wrote in post #33
This wasn't a charter change, and didn't require 2/3 vote. The previous vote would have been a more stricter resturcturing and would have kept people out.

So i think the vote is still valid.



This is definitly à charter change:

Zitat
• “ETC Chairmen” moderate the Combined Captain Council and are in touch with the organizers to make sure the event gets better every year. Chairmen are elected each year in September by the Captains Council, anyone can stand for election but only one Chairman can be elected from each country. If two people from the same country would have been elected, the 7th person on the list is elected, etc. Up to six Chairmen are to be elected in total this way .



So who are the 6 chairmen (I don't understand your document)?


By the way, Maybe I missread your document, but I don't see Lux vote. Why is that ?


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RE: [VOTE] Chairmen Council 2019 - Proposal to accept all current candidates & if not, making selection

#36 by pizzaguardian , Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:21 pm

You are correct, i might have made a clerical error and put out an old version of the file and made an error. Fixing it now.

Although i am 100% positive i saw your vote and worked it in, cause you didnt type numbers and didn't put Marko in. Must not have saved file and reached incorrect result, great error on my end. Apologies.


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RE: [VOTE] Chairmen Council 2019 - Proposal to accept all current candidates & if not, making selection

#37 by Kiri , Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:28 pm

Shit sorry, I wrote on my Phone, so I may have miss something ^^


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RE: [VOTE] Chairmen Council 2019 - Proposal to accept all current candidates & if not, making selection

#38 by pizzaguardian , Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:30 pm

Here is the updated version. Also attached is all the pm's i recevied. I think that's fair since that i made an error we should make sure i haven't made another one.


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RE: [VOTE] Chairmen Council 2019 - Proposal to accept all current candidates & if not, making selection

#39 by pizzaguardian , Sun Oct 07, 2018 4:33 pm

But as you can see, my initial post of 10-8 is correct. So apparently i just done goofed with the file version. No idea how.


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RE: [VOTE] Chairmen Council 2019 - Proposal to accept all current candidates & if not, making selection

#40 by Potan , Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:25 pm

Shame that only 4 of 32 W40k teams voted. Thats real sad. Even worse with FoW.


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RE: [VOTE] Chairmen Council 2019 - Proposal to accept all current candidates & if not, making selection

#41 by TOM A , Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:31 pm

Quote: Potan wrote in post #40
Shame that only 4 of 32 W40k teams voted. Thats real sad. Even worse with FoW.

The overall voting behaviour is worrying.

I would go as far as to propose that captains that do NOT get in votes for the CCC loose all voting powers whatsoever going forward...

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RE: [VOTE] Chairmen Council 2019 - Proposal to accept all current candidates & if not, making selection

#42 by TOM A , Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:33 pm

Quote: pizzaguardian wrote in post #33
This wasn't a charter change, and didn't require 2/3 vote. The previous vote would have been a more stricter resturcturing and would have kept people out.

So i think the vote is still valid.

As stated above, the charter says 6, we had a vote for including more than that number of chairmen. How is it then not a change from what the charter defines?

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RE: [VOTE] Chairmen Council 2019 - Proposal to accept all current candidates & if not, making selection

#43 by El Rey , Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:04 pm

Zitat
As stated above, the charter says 6, we had a vote for including more than that number of chairmen. How is it then not a change from what the charter defines?



It is a change. But it is not technically a change to the charter as it is just for this year. I can see how it can be argued both ways. But lets says this vote had gotten 2/3, then the charter still wouldn't be changed. I personally want only 6 chairmen, but do think the vote for 10 is legit.


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RE: [VOTE] Chairmen Council 2019 - Proposal to accept all current candidates & if not, making selection

#44 by TOM A , Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:22 pm

Quote: El Rey wrote in post #43
But it is not technically a change to the charter

I would rather we don't thread in the realm of 'but technically' as it is setting precedent.

Zitat
Changing this charter will always require a 2/3 majority.


Even if it's only for a year, it's a change to what is lined out in the charter and should be following the 2/3rds majority rule. As should everything that deviates from the charter.

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RE: [VOTE] Chairmen Council 2019 - Proposal to accept all current candidates & if not, making selection

#45 by pizzaguardian , Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:25 am

At the moment we are making sure of the Condorcet Calculators if the captains wishes are 6 members.

But there is a suggestion floating around if that is done so; The left out 4 candidates still put out their names as volunteers which is great. So they will be given a advisor like status. They can still help out like any other chairman or volunteer but they will not have any voting rights and will not be chairmen. How do you guys feel about that?


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