VOTE - Should the T9ACC Overturn the Chairmen's Decision on the Konrad Situation?

#1 by Jonny , Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:54 pm

A number of T9A captains are unhappy with the chairmen's decision on how the Konrad/Team Poland situation was handled. As per the charter they have asked for a Captains' Council vote on the matter, so here it is.

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The vote to Is to ban Konrad from participating or attending next year’s ETC in any form (playing or coaching etc). The vote will have two options

1. Yes - Vote yes to impose a 1 year ban on Konrad attending ETC (effectively 2019 Novi Sad)

2. No - Vote no to ban and continue with the chairman’s warning as the only form of sanction.


The continued push for this vote is based on three things.

1 - We can’t let intimidating and offensive behaviour to refs and their family go unpunished or it sets and unfortunate precedent.
2 - We as Captain’s have a duty to set the standard for a safe an welcoming ETC that encompasses all and I believe this flies in the face of the that.
3 - Poland (Konrad) has shown absolutely no remorse for their behaviour and has not provided an apology in any form that I have seen.




Voting Rules
- The vote is open to T9A captains of teams that attended ETC Salamanca 2017 and/or ETC Zagreb 2018
- Votes should be sent to me by pm, and include your vote and which team you represent.
- The vote will end on Sunday 25th August, or when a simple majority of eligible teams have voted for one of the options.


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RE: VOTE - Should the T9ACC Overturn the Chairmen's Decision on the Konrad Situation?

#2 by Furion , Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:22 pm

1. We have entire year to ban Konrad. There is no need to rush.
2. ETC actions have to be encapsulated within ETC charter. The charter on the issue of banning says the following:

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4. The ETC aims to be the most prestigious team tournament there is by drawing the most skilled players from any country that has a gaming community.
5. How “the most skilled players” is interpreted exactly is left open for each country’s community to decide. The ETC is an event, not a federation and as such has no vocation in influencing each community’s approach to the hobby.
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14. Any country can send one team to represent them. FIFA guidelines are followed for a definition of what a country is, though other sovereign nations who are not recognised by FIFA (eg Monaco) are also allowed to attend. Only one team from each country is allowed entrance in each gaming system (FoW, Fantasy and 40K). How to select a team is left for the individual country to decide and is not something the ETC rules or organization will influence or participate in.


Maybe it would reasonable to consider on what basis can a player can be excluded from attending the event?
Maybe it needs a charter vote 1st?

As an ETC chairmen I am bound to act in line with the charter, and I believe that banning is simply not permitted, since it interferes with selection process for the team.

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RE: VOTE - Should the T9ACC Overturn the Chairmen's Decision on the Konrad Situation?

#3 by Jonny , Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:31 pm

If the captains vote to ban Konrad for Novi Sad 2019, Poland will still be entitled to pick him for their team. It's just that big Serbian blokes with swords will prevent him from entering the building, playing any games, or getting any points.


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RE: VOTE - Should the T9ACC Overturn the Chairmen's Decision on the Konrad Situation?

#4 by Mike Newman , Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:28 pm

To suggest the ETC does not have the power to ban a player from attending is ludicrous.

Irregardles of the case at hand, and without wishing to comment on it - there must be grounds for the ETC to exclude an individual as a result of the consensus of the whole due to the actions of said individual.

Actions must have consequences. Just like in all aspects of life.

It shocks me that the chairman from Poland does not think the ETC as a whole should have the power to refuse entrant to an individual if they deem his action or his attitude unsuitable, and to the detriment of the event, or those attending in any form.


The charter also does not prevent banning as you suggest. Only stipulates that the ETC will not interfere with the selection process used. In banning a player the ETC are not interfering with the process itself, and so the charter remains intact in its purpose. Ie in this instance if a ban is upheld for Konrad, then Poland will still be able to use whatever process they wish to select a team as the charter states. However Konrad will not be available to be selected as a player or coach.


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RE: VOTE - Should the T9ACC Overturn the Chairmen's Decision on the Konrad Situation?

#5 by Slatch31 , Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:59 pm

Team Wales voted

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RE: VOTE - Should the T9ACC Overturn the Chairmen's Decision on the Konrad Situation?

#6 by Scottish Knight , Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:24 am

Team Scotland has voted.


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RE: VOTE - Should the T9ACC Overturn the Chairmen's Decision on the Konrad Situation?

#7 by Razon , Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:06 am

I'm sad it came to this; captain's council should not be having votes to ban specific players from the event. It means we do not trust our refs and chairmen.
But the vote is on, and Team Croatia voted.


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RE: VOTE - Should the T9ACC Overturn the Chairmen's Decision on the Konrad Situation?

#8 by Xavier , Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:32 pm

Switzerland voted

We maintain our trust in the chairmen and the referees


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RE: VOTE - Should the T9ACC Overturn the Chairmen's Decision on the Konrad Situation?

#9 by Ducdeguerre , Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:41 pm

Germany has already voted.

We share the point of view of the Swiss team.


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RE: VOTE - Should the T9ACC Overturn the Chairmen's Decision on the Konrad Situation?

#10 by Manfro , Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:39 am

Quote: Xavier wrote in post #8


We maintain our trust in the chairmen and the referees


Same here!


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RE: VOTE - Should the T9ACC Overturn the Chairmen's Decision on the Konrad Situation?

#11 by AndersTeamSwe , Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:15 am

Team Sweden has voted, no one should feel unsafe at the ETC, ever.

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RE: VOTE - Should the T9ACC Overturn the Chairmen's Decision on the Konrad Situation?

#12 by Ugrush , Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:29 am

Norway has voted.

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RE: VOTE - Should the T9ACC Overturn the Chairmen's Decision on the Konrad Situation?

#13 by Ereius , Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:49 pm

Was an apology issued to both Erik an Camilla? if it was if feel we can overlook this incident.

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RE: VOTE - Should the T9ACC Overturn the Chairmen's Decision on the Konrad Situation?

#14 by Jonny , Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:02 pm

So far 21 teams have voted, the following countries have not:

Argentina
Belarus
Belgium
Bulgaria
Canada
Czech
Finland
France
Hungary
Malta
Mexico
Poland
Russia
Slovenia
Turkey
Ukraine


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RE: VOTE - Should the T9ACC Overturn the Chairmen's Decision on the Konrad Situation?

#15 by Mike Newman , Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:55 pm

Well I think we can safely assume which way Konrad captain of Poland will vote...


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