Vote of No Confidence - Background?

#1 by El Rey , Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:30 pm

Can we get some information of why this is?


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RE: Vote of No Confidence - Background?

#2 by Jonny , Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:32 pm

As per the charter, 5 anonymous captains approached an anonymous chairman and asked for a vote of no confidence in the entire chair. So it's happening. If 2/3 of the voters are in favour of booting the chairmen then we elect a new board.


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RE: Vote of No Confidence - Background?

#3 by El Rey , Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:41 pm

This seems very fishy. There need to be some documentation otherwise a chairman can just claim these things.


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RE: Vote of No Confidence - Background?

#4 by Jonny , Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:46 pm

Quote: El Rey wrote in post #3
This seems very fishy. There need to be some documentation otherwise a chairman can just claim these things.

It does seem open to abuse, but it's in the charter, and the charter was approved by our votes.


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RE: Vote of No Confidence - Background?

#5 by 9thMD , Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:49 pm

And to be clear this would not just affect t9a (where I would guess the complaining teams arose from, but all systems?)

What would be protocol were the vote of no confidence to pass?


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RE: Vote of No Confidence - Background?

#6 by El Rey , Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:55 pm

Ok, well I'm sure many of T9A teams don't have great confident in, some of the chairmens, right now, with their lack of leadership with the Konrad situation and the lack of courage to ban a person who did this:

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Anyway, the events relevant for this discussion is the following: During the award ceremony, shortly after the ref-team's decision that Poland will take the 2nd place, which I announced to them, their captain (Konrad) is visibly very angry with the refs, and I think specifically with me. He comes up to at least one player in the Swedish team (I am Swedish) and slanders me. He does the same to my wife, steps up to her, move in closely and basically tells her I am a horrible human being. I have seen rumors that say he got physical. These rumors are not true.
He steps up to me in a more threatening manner than to the others (physical contact, similar to what a drunk person would do when he wants to innate a fist fight), and verbally insults me (I don't recall the exact words, sorry). He pauses for a second while I struggle to find words to respond, and before I can he walks off. But it was without a doubt the type of thing that should have been an instant red card if it happened during the tournament. Another ref was standing next to me and witnessed the situation. At this time we did not know he had approached anyone besides me.
(PS, the order of these encounters is unknown to anyone but Konrad afaik)


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RE: Vote of No Confidence - Background?

#7 by Jonny , Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:57 pm

Quote: 9thMD wrote in post #5
And to be clear this would not just affect t9a (where I would guess the complaining teams arose from, but all systems?)

What would be protocol were the vote of no confidence to pass?

Yup, all the chairmen are in the firing line.

"...if such a poll gets a 2/3 majority the Chairman/Board is immediately removed and a new Chairman/Board must be elected within a month."
Not sure who organises that though, what with no chairmen and all.


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RE: Vote of No Confidence - Background?

#8 by 9thMD , Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:53 pm

Ya that would be my question, if the board is removed who organizes search for new board


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RE: Vote of No Confidence - Background?

#9 by Johedl , Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:51 pm

According to the charter:

• The Head Computer Genius is TWF admin, a non elected Moderator, has a permanent Chairman’s seat and cannot be demoted by the captain’s councils.

I do not know who that is but it does sound like a good candidate.

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RE: Vote of No Confidence - Background?

#10 by pizzaguardian , Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:50 pm

That position is lost with the old forum. But i am the head admin of this forum, so make that of what you will.


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RE: Vote of No Confidence - Background?

#11 by Johedl , Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:05 pm

Hm. It seems there might be reasons for updating the charter.

Then, IF, a vote of no confident is successful I would call it extraordinary circumstances and a Captain can formulate a poll which will proceed if backed up by 10 other Captains. Let us hope that one will rise to the challenge and seek the backing of 10 other Captains and sort it all out.

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RE: Vote of No Confidence - Background?

#12 by Mike (Santa) Klaka , Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:16 pm

Hmm This all looks a bit silly to me.

We have some Captains voting on a confidence issue WITHOUT knowing what the complaint triggering this vote is about AT ALL.!!

Then some of those whose competence is being questioned may not know what the complaint is !

Finally those accused of incompetence have no opportunity to justify (or try to justify) their actions.

I realise justice is supposed to be 'blind' but this is .....

Apologise for the Caps, they are there for emphasis, not shouting.

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RE: Vote of No Confidence - Background?

#13 by pk-ng , Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:24 am

I believe the charter needs to be updated to be in line with current events?
"The Head Computer Genius is TWF admin, a non elected Moderator, has a permanent Chairman’s seat and cannot be demoted by the captain’s councils"
This is a bit (for a lack of a better word) dumb? Not that I have an issue with you @pizzaguardian just that I believe that there should be a separation of duties thereby avoiding conflict of interest.

Also just reiterating that there should be more substance with in the vote (spell out that reason/rationale) and also more specific (should state the entire council or specific individual [not sure if this is possible]) and documentation needs to be sent to this "Head Computer Genius admin etc for safe keeping / unbiasedness.


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RE: Vote of No Confidence - Background?

#14 by Chris Legg , Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:54 am

The Charter will need updating for the next ETC - there is no doubt in that!


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RE: Vote of No Confidence - Background?

#15 by Shino , Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:34 am

Can people behind this vote state who started it? it just doesn't seem right that someone can start such a vote and then vote yes, which seems to be the cause. Also it makes room for abuse of a chair to start such a vote by himself for various reasons.

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