Hello everyone, here is a statement from Team Poland re: ETC 2018.
1. First of all big congratulations to Spain.
Great team and great performance on their part. They played very well this weekend!
2. Award ceremony absence of our team.
It was not made on purpose. This is the situation in correct order of events. We were cheering our victory then we learned that we received penalty for something we didn't know about. After that penalty there was a tie between us and Spain. Judges resolved the tie in favour for Spain by looking at what tourneykeeper showed as final result. We looked at the rules pack and it stated what was a priority for determining a winner in case of a tie. That meant that we should have a first place. We showed that to the judge but he was not willing at first to even speak with us. We fought on cause we believed the rules were in our favour. Then there was a gathering of judges to discuss this situation and if the results should be changed. At this point our whole team gathered near judges table waiting for the decision - focused on them and full of mixed emotions. The referees were discussing potential change of results and even stopped filling out award diplomas (did anyone noticed they were not given during award ceremony?). We were sure that award ceremony will be paused. Suddenly from a distance we saw that Germany entered a stage for a third place (Congratulation guys!). We were a little confused so Tomek, Shino and myself run near the stage. When they called us for second place we didn't know what to do. It was spontaneous to enter the stage so there would be less confusion for the ceremony. We had no time to even think. It was not intentional that rest of our team stayed at judges table waiting for overturn of results which we believe should have happened according to the rulespack. I was confused people from other countries approached me congratulating me for entering a stage. It was impossible for me to tell everyone what happened and that it was not a boycott.
3. "Konrad situation".
I will also describe what happened cause I heard versions of that story which are not true. First version that I heard about is that Konrad attacked Fjugin and his wife. I was shocked and saddened because I know him as a calm person. First of all he never touched a wife of Fujin which many people thought. Then I heard what he said exactly and other guy from Sweden posted it already on forum. Konrad went up to Fjugin and told him he's the worst and most biased judge he ever saw, and he told his wife that her husband is a horrible person. Please keep in mind that his wife is not family member from outside but she is part of 9th age team and Konrad previously had contact with her. Of course it is offensive but I don't know if this is a cultural difference thing but I don't find this words very offensive and deserving a card. We believe banning Konrad from ETC is too harsh for this kind of words. We felt hurt by a referee (and we still are) and this is how he reacted. He verbally stated his opinion in aggressive manner. Please also keep in mind that he said that not only because of this situation but also with connection to his other decisions during battles. We are surprised that banvote is considered. We think it is because people thought that he attacked Fujin's wife. I played on 12th ETC and in the past there were situations were whole teams were screaming at each other, there was cheated dice incident or people caught moving their units in opponents turn when he was not watching. None of this situations ended with a ban.
4. ETC 2018 had a rulespack. The rulespack stated rules on tie breakers. There are two entries there that I would like to bring to your attention.
. Winning the Tournament - singles
The winner will be calculated based on the total amount of battle points combined with penalties. In the case of a tie the battle points will be used to determine the winner. If there is still a tie the Victory Points will be used to determine the winner. If there is still a tie the winner will be determined by a coin flip.
Winning the Tournament - teams
The winning team will be determined based on the total amount of battle points combined with the total score for potential hobby points.
The maximum amount of battle points per round is 100 and the minimum amount of battle points per round is 60 for 8 man team.
In the case of a tie the victory points will be used to determine the winner.
If there is still a tie the victory points will be used to determine the winner. (sic)
If there is still a tie the winner will be determined by a coin flip.
This rulespack was created by judges & chairmen and was available during and before the event. Directly before the event the judges gave a copy of this rulespack to every captain.
At the end of the event the tables looked like this:
country / vp / penalties / BP_uncapped / BP_capped / final score
Spain 32074 -2 639 568 566
Poland 92539 -3 603 569 566
Given those results:
A. Poland had more VP than Spain. The wording may be off, but the rulespack is clear on the matter. You look at VP's. The wording allows to point to the winner. There was no technical reason to change it.
B. Assuming that the wording in rulespack was wrong, the only possible way forward without disturbance is to use a precedence / analogy. And in this case we have an example. Same pack mentions that the order is for singles: final score > bp > vp
The capped and uncapped bp have to come instead of single bp. So the only logical alternative (if someone really wants to change the wording of the tournament pack while the tournament is in progress...) was to go:
final score > bp_capped > bp_uncapped > vp
5. To sum up, the account of events from Team Poland's perspective was as follows:
Team Poland was the winner.
Tourney Keeper algorithm was wrong and made incorrect sorting.
We informed the judges about this fact.
When we presented the information to the judges, we weren't given any response why the rulespack was changed.
Then we received no information on what algorithm was used and on what legal basis.
When we inquired further, pointing to the lines in rulespack, the reaction of referee Fjugin was that of throwing the rulespack on the table in frustration.
Team Poland would kindly ask to receive information on:
what algorithm was used and on what legal basis?
Why was the rulespack changed?
Is it judges responsibility to change the rulespack during the event?
Stanislaw on behalf of Team Poland