Midwar 2019 rulespack

#1 by Doktor Helge , Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:35 pm

Hi Guys
Next year the schedule says that we are Going to play midwar.
There should be several books and Nations available.. enough to make it possible to have a wide variety Of army lists.
But there Will be some issues

We Will need a rulespack group to go through these issues
(For eksample some Command cards appear to be unbalanced, so my suggestion would be that we restrict each book to 5 preselected Command cards (such as Panzer knäcker, and other reasonable cards) so that it would be an interesting addon, but not a game breaker)

I Think that the rulespack group we had for 2018 did a good job, and I Think most Of us were pleased with the result, as the tournament went very Well

Some people at the Etc have worried weather Etc should even do MW for 2019, we need to take This worries serious, and playtest the lists to see how it works (with and without Command cards).
Personally I belive that it would be the death Of fow at Etc if we do not evolve with the game system, but we need to make it working for tournaments

I suggest that we get This rulespack group together as soon as possible

I was in the last Rulespack group and would like to be in the new one too
Therefore I hereby volunteer myself to This group.
We need to get started soon


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#2 by NickFoxtrot , Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:13 pm

Helge I would be happy to assist and give feed back!


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#3 by 96mgb , Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:57 pm

I would like to be involved as well.


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#4 by Lynx , Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:16 pm

Helge I'm with you and in anytime :-)

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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#5 by Reksio , Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:11 pm

Could help :)

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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#6 by NickFoxtrot , Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:55 am

So first thing that jumps out at me is that there are Tank formations and Infantry formations in MW.
Options is see are:
1) 3 tank and 3 infantry
2) 2 tank and 4 infantry (with 2 infantry formation having infantry a core choices with Transport Attachments)

Other items that would need to be addressed:
Command Cards
The updated victory conditions in the more missions pack


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#7 by Chrisj5154 , Tue Aug 07, 2018 4:49 am

Why would we want to restrict choices at all? Best case right now using normal 1 formation of each type and nationality means a max of 4 infantry or 4 tank formations. Even the addition of minor Axis powers adds only Finns and Romanians. We had teams with 6 infantry formations this year. No reason I can see to force tank units on anyone.


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#8 by Doktor Helge , Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:02 am

Since you Can have multiple formations in an army list, restriktion the lists to either inf or tank, makes little sence to mr.
As we Saw This year, we Will Also next year see mixed army lists.

The restriction should be in how Many repeat Nations each team Can have (my suggestion would be only 2 players Can play one nation.. so if a german formation was combined with an Italian formation in that army list, the that country has used 1 german and 1 Italian option (so they could still have a player Playing german formations and a player with Italian formations)
By doing this, we would get a variety Of lists, without restricting players too much


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#9 by 96mgb , Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:57 pm

I think we need to think carefully about limiting multiethnic formations in order to reduce the obvious spamming.

My suggestion is no more tha 1 formation of the same type per list and also that each card (including the same name if they exist in multiple packs) can be used only once per team. Eg you can only have 1 set of captured 25pdr per team, 1 lucky, 1 armoured car formation etc etc. exception being when for card formation is made up of multiple core card choices. Eg a Cossack formation would not be limited to a single Cossack pltn card however only 1 Cossack formation could be taken.

Immediately you stop the worse spam issues (armoured acrs).

Personnely I think there is an argument for 2 formations max but thatís just me.

I also think we accept that V4 Mw was and is tested using the more mission battle selector and allow players to choose stance after match up and role for mission. Letís accept that not everyone will play the same scenarios but also accept that this system is what was tested and is what helps drive the balance of the game.

Luckily the army builder is almost ready so that will help a lot for next year.

One consideration is whether to allow the additional units from Bf published web articles like the bishop etc. again just my POV but I see them as a posistive, non seem silly good or cheesy but allow additional choice.


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#10 by Jonny , Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:27 pm

Iíd like the only restriction to be that each nation can only be used once. If there arenít 6 nations available then 1 nation can be duplicated.


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#11 by Lynx , Tue Aug 07, 2018 1:50 pm

I'm seconding Helge.
No type limitation at all. But only 2 lists from the same nation is a good idea. This year we saw multiple formation lists and it worked out ok.
This about multiple formation is that we should set a limit to no more than 2 formations per list (this will basically limit the template spam we saw in EW).
For the cards I'll be more septical about the balance... (Michal said it : scout car spam plus heavy at...)


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#12 by simple , Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:01 pm

I'm personally against any limits.

For now, only one theoretic issue is spam of cheap units and overuse of same formations in different lists (like having Italian tanks in German lists). I think we need to try them in real tournaments before inflicting constraints.
If limits are still required I'd propose to limit the number of times specific formation can be used in a team. So German Recon Formation can be limited with 2, so one list can have 2 of them or 2 lists include 1 each. For core formations, those limits might be not needed at all or raised higher.

I also think command cards are a must. They add this flavor and sparks in lists that make them so different and unique. We might limit the available amount of some one-time use cards, but I'm not sure it's needed - again, let's see the real tournament experience first.


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#13 by 96mgb , Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:44 pm

Tournes are already seeing the German armoured car being a go to formation itís not new. I think all that holds back more is cost of models, same with Italian light tank formation.


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#14 by wyrm , Tue Aug 07, 2018 2:52 pm

We have showm, that it is possible to have any number of types of formations, as the 2-2 Attach/Mech/Defend was selected in addition. We could follow-up with that,

Regarding nations we have:
- DAK Germans
- British
- Italian
- American
- IC Germans
- Soviets
with germans and soviets getting another book.

If we don't get a PDF with minor nations by February-March, we would have to allow a duplicate nation. but I would say it must be from a different book. At least we could minimize the chance of spamming.

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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#15 by Arkon , Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:18 pm

It would hurt us as well if we have to decide between Strelk or Tanlovy, but I like the idea


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