RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#166 by 96mgb , Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:30 pm

Akron itís to stop spam.

This is the rule pack being submitted so far there hasnít been any objection to the no multiple formations other than what you have just bought up. It prevent sheer spam of light vehicle formations. Bear in mind a rule pack canít please everyone ;-)


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#167 by Jonny , Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:54 pm

Do you think that the current rulespack prevents light vehicle spamming? I don't think it does, nor do I think that we need to do it.

It seems odd that a German player can include more Italian Carri tanks than an Italian player could. I'd prefer to restrict it so that only one player can use each formation, but a player can use that formation more than once. Though I admit that facing 100 L6/40s would be a pain in the hole . Maybe restrict it so that players can only take a max of 2 formations in total?


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#168 by Mike (Santa) Klaka , Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:55 pm

I only have two big(ish) issues with the rulespack.

1. I am having a lot of difficulty understanding the restrictions on cards. For example there are cards with the same name in several different 'books' of cards. An example would be Dummy Minefields which appears in a lot of 'Books' some the same nation and some different Nations. There seem to be quite a few of these and to add to the confusion there are cards with the same wording/effect but a different name e.g. Hail Mary (US) seems to be the same as Lucky (Brits & BOTH Soviets). How many of these cards can a Team of 6 players use (assuming they are using the right lists to make use of them). Some cards seem to REQUIRE you to pick more than one of the card - if you take a formation and wish to apply the card you MUST apply it to each unit. Other cards do not REQUIRE you to upgrade all of a Formation but clearly it is a bit odd not to, e.g. A Soviet Hero Rifle Battalion can upgrade one unit to a Guards Airborne Battalion, so you would have a Battalion HQ and one unit (Company) of normal army and one unit (Company) from the Guards Airborne - a very odd Battalion! I would prefer to see Formation cards limited to one such formation per team (like the other formations in the various books) and use the limited/not limited instructions as per the cards themselves (as amended by Lessons from the Front where applicable). It would make checking the army Lists a lot easier and we don't seem to have many volunteers for this job based upon last year. If not can we make it a lot clearer as to which cards you can have multiples of and perhaps say cards in different packs count as different cards?

2. The messing around with the sleeves as proposed is terribly impractical. I would prefer each team assign 2 lists with Attack, 2 with Manoeuvre and 2 with Defend WHEN THE LISTS ARE SUBMITTED. This is pretty much what we did under v3 and is so much simpler for everyone to follow. With sleeves it is only a matter of time before we have a messy problem because of a misunderstanding, I also suspect we are putting a lot of faith in the orgas getting the sleeves just right (and provide them in time.) Last year how many teams realised that the sleeves we used were provided by the England Captain as these were available before the orga's ones arrived. The year before that the orga's forgot to provide players army cards. I especially dislike not knowing which stance the opposition army has been given until after the draw is done - what if your oppos list is a bit ambiguous (for example)?

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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#169 by 96mgb , Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:05 pm

Santa the cards is quite simple

Only one player on a team may use a each card. That player may use it more than once though.

Eg. Player 1 can take panzerknacker twice but no other player can take it.

Eg. Player 2 takes a Cossack formation card and the. Takes multiple Cossacks platoon cards.

Cards are the same if they are the same name. Dummy minefield in the desert rats book is the same name as the one in the iron cross book. Therefore it can only be used by 1 player.

A card may be a similar effect but be a different name. That means both can be taken once by different players.

Basically same name=same card.

Btw formation cards are limited to one use per team already as your desire.


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#170 by Dirkhrod , Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:16 am

However, I think that if you have a Soviet "Lucky" and a British "Lucky", they should be treated as different. In the end, they are for different nations. The same card should refer to same name within a nation, not penalize players for BF's lack of imagination when naming the cards across multiple nations.


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#171 by Doktor Helge , Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:03 am

Dirkhrod
I agree the wording should be clearer on that
If the vote passes I Will try to go through the unclear areas Of the rulespack to make it more easy to understand


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#172 by 96mgb , Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:51 am

Lucky is the same name and therefore the same card. It gets taken once only per team.


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#173 by Mike (Santa) Klaka , Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:00 am

Doktor, Mark is correct - what the rules pack says is it is the name of the card, the same is true of formation.) if you intended to split these up by nation (effectively prefixing the name on the card or formation with the nation, so the card in the example would become a British Lucky card not a Soviet Lucky card) you could copy and paste the wording I suggested. You don't have to adopt the other tweaks I proposed and I am not going to claim copyright or anything.

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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#174 by 96mgb , Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:43 am

Mike the rules pack is being voted on changes are done mate.


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#175 by Mongol , Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:05 am

Guys, couldn't find this part in the rulespack.
What would be the decision on common support for German and Soviet books?
We are waiting for it to be implemented into forces of war?


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#176 by Reksio , Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:00 pm

It was not there when we created the rules pack and thus I would say it does not apply. But opinions may differ. I guess this is not the only topic. Another one would be: do the Command Cards follow the information here: https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx...109&art_id=6381 or the one on the leaflets in the packs.

For example, if I use the article, I am able to modify an EATG unit with an EATG card even if I built my Force using RB.
If I follow the rules in the cards pack, I am not allowed to do this, since I can only use cards from EATG.

I would be interested to start a vote on this, actually.

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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#177 by Mike (Santa) Klaka , Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:22 pm

It might be advisable to wait a few weeks to see what, if anything, changes on Forces?

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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#178 by 96mgb , Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:53 pm

The spirit of the rules pack was to limit repetition. If you want the committee to rule we can but Iíd suggest that will be what the reply will be.

Or it goes to vote


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#179 by Adamastor , Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:30 pm

Errr.... I think you are fine. Unless I'm seeing things, the rules already allow you to do that:

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- Command cards can be taken as allowed by forcesofwar (ie. A GP forces can use IC command cards)




As I read it, you can have multiples of the same card in your list. The only restriction is that no one else in your team can use them.


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RE: Midwar 2019 rulespack

#180 by 96mgb , Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:36 pm

No he is talking about the combined support tree not command cards.


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