As I know things get deleted here I will paste what's in other thread. Read this please and tell me about what's decent/ sportsmanlike
Hi All, I just wanted to sum up all facts for you:
Fact1. Rules stated that vp should be used as tie breaker
Fact2. Refs ignored fact1
Fact3. Refs ignored fact1 when it was pointed out to them i.e. they were fully aware of the rules
Fact4. Rules do not state anywhere that yellow cards also impact battle point score
Fact5. Refs decided that yellow cards will impact bp during the tournament. If that was communicated beforehqnd remains unclear
Fact6. Team Poland won all games
Fact7. Team Spain did not win all games. They lost to Poland
Fact8. There was a penalty applied to team Poland after the end of tournament based on so called verbal assault
Fact9. "Verbal assault" was given privately as feedback to ref as private person commenting his performance
Fact10. It was repeated to refs wife
Fact11. Nothing else happened between Konrad and ref/his wife
Fact12. Teams are voting to ban Konrad based on facts 9-11
Fact13. Teams are not impartial here as the outcome of votr might affect their chances next year
Fact14. Chairmen backed up refs on their ignoting rhe rules
Fact15. Both chairmen and refs should be making sure that the rules are followed
Fact16. Most or all teams congratulated refs and chairmen job well done
Opinion1. Poland team is disliked. If that is because they are so good or so competitive or maybe rude is besides the point.
Fact17. Poland is constantly pointing out above gathered facts
Fact18. Most or all teams continue to ignore / disregard above facts.
Fact19. That might be controversial but I believe there are at least 2 lies in refs statement above: first about the rules:
"In the Tournament Pack there are 2 ways of determining a winner - one for singles and one for teams. Singles being:
1. battle points with soft scores and penalties 2. battle points 3. Victory points
(I.e. first two point agreeing with polish chairman's original claim, but 3rd differs*)
1. battle points 2. victory points 3. coin flip**"
That is a lie1 as the rules - by mistake or not - state that 1st tie breaker are vps
Lie2: A few minutes later the Polish captain comes up to the swedish ref in a very threatening manner and verbally insults him, the type of behavior that would have been an instant red card if it happened during the tournament.
So called verbal insult was nothing more than statement "you are terrible, biased ref".
I'd like to also highlight this part: "the type of behavior that would have been an instant red card if it happened during the tournament" which supports facts 8 and 9, namely it happened between 2 guys not acting as ref and team captain at that time. Which leads me to
Fact20. Ref abused his powers by penalising behaviour he had no right to penalise other than by calling the police if he felt offended
Fact21. Ref admits in his statement they wanted to punish team Poland in harshest possible way for the event outside of tournament ("Refs decide to give him a yellow card (because at this point in time yellow card is more harsh than red card). ")
Gravity of facts 20-21. To put it into context: imagine you argue on chat with ref before or after an evnet and you are not nice to him. He can as a result penalise your team on next or already ended event based on his mood.
Please read above. If you still believe everything was great I have nothing to add here.
Ps. Threats about ban to Konrad based on captains vote with diregard to rules is far more outrageous in my opinion than anything he said to ref regardless of how aggresively he did that as ultimately he only stated his opinon as private person to private person (not player to judge)
Ps2. Just to be clear: I have no idea how the game works, I ended up here accidentaly a d was fascinated by the heated discussion and yes, I am from. Poland which is why I concentrated on gathering facts which I believe to be accurate and not debatable. If I got something wrong it was not intentional.
Ps3. I dont want to change the outome of the event as I am aware that similar outrageous unfair treatment also happens on far more important events including Olimpics (can describe last one I remember in cycling if you are interested)