Missing 3d terrain for T9A

#1 by Ugrush , Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:27 pm

The captains vote ended with the call to do 2D terrain and some 3D terrain on top.

After playing ESC I've yet to see any of the 3D pieces, where are they?

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RE: Missing 3d terrain for T9A

#2 by SmithF , Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:25 am

This was my fear when the vote for 2D terrain was started on Warhammer.org.uk. The organizers never promised that there would be 3d terrain on top, they just said they would try.

To me, this is an issue because 3D terrain was budgeted in the proposal. Also, while 2D is helpful from a gaming perspective, it detracts from the overall experience.
I hope that this doesn't become the standard for the ETC from now on.


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RE: Missing 3d terrain for T9A

#3 by Orion , Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:00 pm

I really wanted impassibles and buildings to be 3D. Quite often I confused ruins with buildings, which from a gaming perspective is a huge blunder.

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RE: Missing 3d terrain for T9A

#4 by Kiri , Wed Aug 08, 2018 4:57 pm

Quote: SmithF wrote in post #2
This was my fear when the vote for 2D terrain was started on Warhammer.org.uk. The organizers never promised that there would be 3d terrain on top, they just said they would try.

To me, this is an issue because 3D terrain was budgeted in the proposal. Also, while 2D is helpful from a gaming perspective, it detracts from the overall experience.
I hope that this doesn't become the standard for the ETC from now on.


Smith


I agree with that. 2D terrains have been my only disapointment, specialy when (I) the Croatian proposal clearly mentionned 3D terrain, and (II) a vote has been made about it.

I hope there is a good explanation and that for 2019 3D terrain will come back.


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RE: Missing 3d terrain for T9A

#5 by Ugrush , Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:35 pm

So we all agreed that the Orga has deliberatly failed at meeting both their own bid and the captain's vote for terrain.

Looking at how much effort the Orga put into 40k terrain, I'm more that just slightly angered by this end result.

I also hope this will change for Novi Sad next year.

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RE: Missing 3d terrain for T9A

#6 by Orion , Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:58 pm

Novi Sad will have Severian at the helm of things. I fully trust him in all aspects to do with the event. The 2 ETCs at Novi Sad were superb (perhaps the food was the only dissapointing thing, but I dont think we will ever get food like at Salamanca ever again at an ETC.)

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RE: Missing 3d terrain for T9A

#7 by lagerlof , Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:02 am

Atleast the burgers were frigging awesome in Zagreb.

Too bad they only had the capacity to feed a small classroom xD

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RE: Missing 3d terrain for T9A

#8 by Kalerith , Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:33 pm

My experience of the food was a bit different than yours then :P
My burgers looked so undercooked that im pretty sure I could hear it moo.

(Food poisoning from something, and those burgers where the only thing that I can recall looking close to suspicious).
I did however get a look at some of my team mates food that went on a different time, and theirs looked good. But my experience food wise wasnt the best.

Regarding the terrains I must say I dont mind playing on 2Ds and I mostly play either on UB or at home with the same mats, but ETC should strive to be the best in this category. As it is now, Herford is miles ahead in organizing in my mind.

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RE: Missing 3d terrain for T9A

#9 by Scottish Knight , Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:58 pm

In terms of my feedback, this was my first ETC, so I have no benchmark to compare with. However, I had a great event overall!

Pros:

Air Con - totally necessary to avoid me melting, the climate was perfect.

Space - plenty of it, no concerns about room to fit everyone in and getting by the tables.

Drinks - while there was no Pepsi Max (very personal complaint) the bars were easily accessed and service was good.

Atmosphere - the general environment was great, the girls in cosplay were a great touch.

Cons:

Tables - the tables were a little flimsy. The terrain could have been better - while 2d makes sense for playing, 3d terrain on top would be a huge improvement to the look of the competition.

Food - the queues were huge, and while the food itself was ok, the wait and timing issues were a major problem. I would rather have food which didn't need cooked and was available immediately at the end of the first game, rather than queuing.

Sound - the announcements were fine, but there was no audio provision at the podium for prizegiving, which made it hard to hear.

Money - the use of ETC money was a pointless exercise for players, and it meant people ended up with unusable currency.


Thanks for all the work on the event, despite any critique offered, I had a really great time!

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RE: Missing 3d terrain for T9A

#10 by Humblr , Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:42 pm

Thanks for a great organisation.
Food was quite an issue (queue) and 3D terrain too, but quality was good and everything went smoothly.
Having air con and Internet is really cool.

Only real improvement I'd like to ask:
Could we start around 9AM in the morning (and not 11AM), and grant at least 30 more minutes for each game (out of the two extra hours starting earlier will provide)?
Thanks again for organizing such a big and great event.
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RE: Missing 3d terrain for T9A

#11 by Blonde Beer , Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:20 pm

The Dutch Team have zero complaints about anything (we got our food outside of the venue though).

I also personally had zero problems with the Chairs... while Im proparly the heaviest guy in the room :).


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RE: Missing 3d terrain for T9A

#12 by pk-ng , Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:26 am

Quote: Humblr wrote in post #10
Thanks for a great organisation.
Only real improvement I'd like to ask:
Could we start around 9AM in the morning (and not 11AM), and grant at least 30 more minutes for each game (out of the two extra hours starting earlier will provide)?

There is such a late start for a reason
There are 3 main systems in play concurrently they are all separated 1 hour apart for the reason as to not have everyone having lunch at the same time.
IMO for the additional 30 minutes I have to disagree as the ETC is already long enough and there is sufficient time


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RE: Missing 3d terrain for T9A

#13 by Humblr , Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:48 am

Long enough
Ive seen countless games end turn 4 or 5, not even by slow players.

And most penalties come from late results because of late games.
30minutes doesnt change anything for fast players, but for average to slow players, thats a 6th turn.

I dont understand why this wouldn t ne considered an option.
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RE: Missing 3d terrain for T9A

#14 by le_blub , Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:19 pm

@Humblr, I see three problems with this:

1) The evening games (2, 4, 6) will end later and thus dinner will also be delayed which in return means, less sleep and/or less socialising (one of the best parts of the ETC).
2) Driving home on Sunday becomes nigh impossible, if you have to drive 4-6h, since you lose at best 1h. Also, the waiting times on the boardes get even worse at that time of the day, so you lose even MORE time. This problem is less serious in Novi Sad, since it is rather far away for most countries, but for Zagreb this would have been a major issue.
3) "Faster" players (or those who usually get their games done within 3h) have to wait even longer that the round is concluded, which sucks big time for them. And those are the majority of players...

Furthermore, it is quite questionable for me, that players only got 4 turns in, usually this indicates a form of stalling/massive slow play from either players, which needs to reported to the judges, so that they can keep track of it (see tournament pack).

Otherwise:
I do not mind the 2D Terrain, just for impossibles and hills a 3D on top would be great, since you could miss them quite easily. Other option would be to remove the mats, cause they were VERY distracting from the 2D Terrain on top of it. I made the exact same complains already at the WTC btw ;)

The Venue was nice and clean, restrooms were cleaned regularly (something which gets "overseen" quite often), so just pluses from my side in this regard.

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RE: Missing 3d terrain for T9A

#15 by Humblr , Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:57 pm

If you start 2hours ealier (9 instead of 11), and add 30minutes to each game, to my calculation you finish 1hour earlier.

Fast and slow playing is subjective. A 3 vanguard dwarf blocks army can be played far quicker than SE avoidance list or 240 paysants KOE (juste rolling the dices take ages).
We ve seen very limited to no stalling but still first turn cab tale up to 40minutes because of placements/ considering each following turn options and such. This tactical reflexion is what the game is all about for me, and speeding the opponent or ont ending the game is really painfull.
I don't think I'm the only one:
1/ because a lot of top players I've spoken to expérienced the same
2/ see number of penalties for late results. If game were finished, it wouldn't have happened.

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